CHAT-BACK
A PAGE FOR EVERYONE
This page is for conversations. Start a dialogue – start an argument – just start communicating! We would like to hear your views, how you think the community should respond to crime, for instance. It’s free and it’s for you.
Here, too, we will post reports of our meetings. Like the meeting held on 3rd December. It’s planned to be a general-purpose page for the community.
Simply email us as normal but head your email CHAT-BACK.
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27th January 2010
Higher visibility from the Mountain Men.
Many of our residents have commented lately on what a reassuring pleasure it is to see the dedicated Mountain Men patrol vehicle back in Kalk Bay and St James. This and the random foot patrols that they carry out is a direct result of the good response we received from residents to our sign-up-with-the-Mountain-Men campaign late last year.
It makes sense to have one committed and pro-active service provider in the area. But it doesn’t stop here. We would like to encourage more householders to follow suit. The more subscribers, the more comprehensive the service. It’s simple economics, really.
Better we pay for a service that keeps criminals away in the first place than pay for one that simply arrives after the event. By then it’s too late. Don Yeowell.
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28th December
NOTEWORTHY: The Mountain Men, as of 18 December, have been back on 24 hour, seven days a week patrol. Subscribers to their services may well have noticed a marked, and welcome, increase in performance. Obviated by a decrease in reaction time! The NW thanks the residents for reacting positively to our drive to increase the number of subscribers to Mountain Men Security; and thanks, too, are due to MM for restoring their service to the community.
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Crime prevention begins at home, writes Barrie Gasson. Here he provides some observations and recommendations for a more secure home. Some of these may seem obvious but it is startling how many people fail to take the simplest of measures.
There is a clear pattern to crime in the area and it must be anticipated for it to be prevented or reduced. Every household can play its part by taking at least the following steps:
1. All houses, including garages, should be fitted with an alarm system that is connected to one of the security companies.
2. The alarm should be activated routinely at night and whenever the house is left vacant.
3. Houses that have been sold and are standing vacant and proudly exhibiting the agent’s SOLD sign are advertising themselves to be hit. Such signs should be removed.
4. Houses being built de novo or undergoing renovation are targets at all stages of the construction process: workers’ equipment; old windows, doors, brass fittings of much better quality than today (handles, catches, hinges etc); new plumbing and electrical fittings; all white goods. Therefore a night-watchman is essential.
5. Parked cars with items visible inside – even a pair of sunglasses – are targets. Theft of wheels can be prevented by replacing one nut on each wheel with one that locks. It can’t be unscrewed without a unique key that only the owner possesses. Talk to Hammy at Mace Motors, Main Road, Tokai.
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Report on Security Meeting held 03/12/09 in the Kalk Bay Community Centre
The Crimewatch Committee (Bert Stafford, Don Yeowell and Denis Evernnett) called a meeting to determine and agree a way forward with measures to limit crime in the Kalk Bay/St James area.
Chairman Bert Stafford opened by outlining what had brought us to request this meeting and gave a brief history of how the Crimewatch initiative was formed and the stage reached currently.
Back in the middle of 2007 the original Committee of 6 members had set up a system of Block Captains. It grew and 12 months later covered about 50% of the St James/KalkBay area with some 28 BCs at it’s peak. Regular monthly meetings were held to pass information and control the operation of the Crimewatch. By August this year the number of BCs attending meetings had dwindled to two! So the monthly meetings were suspended. The Committee, by then, had been reduced to three members but we soldiered on.
Throughout this period Don continued with the CrimeWatch emails and later set up the web site which carried the crime reports. This has proved to be very successful and continues to be a monitor on the incidents of crime in the area. Although even this is suffering from declining support. Some folks are just not bothering to send in reports.
After a peak in crime over the last Christmas holiday, the Committee initiated the car patrol system, based on that used in Hout Bay and other areas.
At a meeting in late February 2009 over 70 volunteers were signed up and we quickly established a 3 x 2 hour shift system which runs Saturday, Sunday and Monday (early) mornings from midnight to 06h00. There was an immediate and notable drop in reported crimes. No surprise there. Received wisdom from security forces is that where there is patrolling criminals go elsewhere. But today we can barely raise enough regular patrollers to fill the schedule. Reserves there are none. If a patroller has to drop out for some reason his shift goes unfilled.
These points were made to an audience of 26 residents. (Grateful thanks to all who attended.) Out of a reliably estimated 750 households in the area, probably some 2 000 souls, 26 people were able to attend. That says something about the attitude to security of the residents of Kalk Bay and St James! We received 12 apologies. Not everybody subscribes to the CrimeWatch newsletter and not all may have seen the item in Tuesday’s People’s Post… but 26 is quite a low turn-out for such serious matters.
The Committee asked for guidance from the floor on the way forward as the Crimewatch operations cannot run without the support of members of the commuity. We further pointed out that we had initiated negotiations with the various security companies operating in the area and had concluded that the Mountain Men were by far the best operation.
We have previously pushed for more clients to join them in order to generate sufficient funding to improve and expand their operations in our area. Currently they have reduced their 24/7 dedicated patrols for us because of a number of client payment defaulters which cut funding for the service. As a result of some debt recovery plus an increase in clients due to a concentrated sales campaign in the area, the Mountain Men indicated that they would resume the 24/7 service by mid-December.
Anton du Preez of the Mountain Men took the floor and confirmed this. He also indicated that with more clients, they would be able to expand their services further with more men on the mountain observing and more men patrolling on the ground. He confirmed that his company was essentially the only one operating proactively (keeping criminals away) and by making over 200 arrests this year. Other companies made virtually no arrests because they were retroactive (responded only AFTER a crime was committed).
Comments from the floor:
A suggestion was made that video cameras be mounted on Boyes Drive and Main Road to monitor traffic and pedestrian movement. The proposer was already involved with a local installation on her own property. This was countered by another resident who pointed out that in order to get the kind of resolution from the cameras that would be required to make identifications and be able to read number plates, an awful lot of money would be required.
Another proposed that a survey of all the properties in the area be carried out to determine which properties were contracted to which security companies and a drive be started to encourage residents without contracts to join the Mountain Men and for those contracted to other companies to leave their current provider and join the Mountain Men. It was further pointed out that people who were signed up on long term contracts with a service provider found it difficult to break these contracts.
The question of continuing NW patrols was discussed at length with arguments put forward for continuing or ceasing the operation. After a show of hands, a 60/40 (not overwhelming) majority determined that the patrols should continue for the immediate future and at a follow up meeting to be called next February, a further review should take place.
Comment, too, was made on householders responsibilities to look after themselves and their properties. A lax attitude towards security encourages crime and often results in situations which could have been avoided if more care was taken. It falls on the individuals to take necessary precautions to protect themselves in the first instance and the community as a whole.
The committee would endeavour to cover the coming holiday period with as many patrols as possible from the volunteers available. This programme relied on up to date information coming from the volunteers as to their availability and we would circulate a list of volunteers on demand, to the patrollers.
The committee thanked the audience for their attendance and enthusiasm.
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Simon Cooper | 08/12/2009 at 12:54 am
WHY I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING MOUNTAIN MEN
I have read the above with interest. Apart from my home I own other properties in the area. Until recently the alarm/response contracts for those buildings were, for historical reasons, with 2 different companies and I had a contract with Mountain Men for “mountain” monitoring/watch. In about July 2009 I initiated a process of centralising the alarm/response contracts for all the buildings concerned. I sent emails to 4 companies, including Mountain Men which invited tenders to contract for all the buildings and I cancelled all existing contracts with effect from August 31.
Mountain Men were the only company that did not reply and to this day I have not heard anything from them at all – no acknowledgment, no substantive response.
They complain about defaulters – I ask how many of these are people like me who have cancelled but who still get accounts and thus appear on their books as outstanding. Prior to cancellation my office often got calls asking for payment of accounts that had not been received by us and now that the contract is cancelled, we still get accounts. I have given up reacting to these accounts and consign them to the waste paper basket as phone calls and emails pointing out that the contract is cancelled are simply ignored.
Mountain Men seem to be me to an inefficient organisation whose administration is lax. So thank you I will not be supporting them and I encourage other people to stay away from them.
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Sarah Beddow | 08/12/2009 at 8:03 am
On the Mountain Men issue -just before we moved in to our property we had heard of the effort to get more residents to join MM we decided to change security company. Contacted MM on at least six occasions I was promised that someone would call us back -it never happened. We were forced to go the ADT route, who I must say were very quick to respond.
Thank you to the committee and all who assist -greatly appreciated!
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Erika | 15/12/2009 at 6:47 am
I had the same response as Simon and Sarah with Mountain Men. ADT responded well. Also if i wanted to join MM it meant that I had to change my entire alarm system. With ADT I could just go on using what I had.
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Sam Ralston | 08/12/2009 at 8:58 am
Some of us are unable to sign up with Mountain Men for our household armed response, but are willing to support neighbourhood patrols. Can we arrange something like that with Mountain Men? It would also be a great option for those of us that cannot afford the time to patrol personally, but would still like to contribute to the neighbourhood.
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Cheri Scholtz | 08/12/2009 at 9:47 am
Should we not be looking at a CID or VID (Village Improvement District) type situation where everybody contributes a small amount and this can be used to top up security services, litter and cleaning (huge amount of litter everyday from train/beach), gardening and so on?
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Delene Burman | 10/12/2009 at 2:07 pm
The Mountain Men are really good at responding and catching thieves. On 3 occasions they have returned goods to me before I knew they were stolen! ( I was out of town). On another robbery 10 minutes later they were chasing the thief with my goods but Boyes Drive traffic congestion made it possible for the thief to get away.
Recently 10 youngsters were drinking and drugging on the boundary path of my property. We pressed our emergency button and within 5 minutes the Mountain Men were on the path and the youngsters were moved on.
While I was away my gardener advised me that a woman was robbed of her handbag. Later that day the Mountain Men caught the thieves and returned her handbag with cell and money.
They have never been good at admin but when they respond they are excellent at catching thieves.
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Jessica | 11/12/2009 at 1:56 pm
I think it would be useful if there could be weekly updates on what night time incidents or suspicious characters were seen, whether police or private security were called etc so that readers can get an idea of what the patrollers witness, which may possibly encourage more people to participate.
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kbstjnw | 12/12/2009 at 5:15 pm
In all the time we have had patrols, Jessica, I do not believe a single patroller has actually witnessed a crime being committed. Indeed, the crime that takes place in the area is rarely witnessed by anyone. Part of the reason we patrol is to actually try to prevent crime by being visible to the criminals. Hopefully, the threat of being seen keeps criminals away. That’s why we need more patrollers. So we can be out there being seen on more nights. Not just weekends. Don.
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Di Koch | 14/12/2009 at 8:45 am
Thanks Don, Bert and Denis for holding the fort with the CrimeWatch initiative. Bryan and I have recently started patrolling and one of the plusses of doing this is having a better sense of the area we live in. Those of you out there who are thinking about it, please join, as it would be a great pity to see things scrapped because there aren’t enough people, and then to have to feel the pain of crime going up in the area before more volunteers emerge out of the necessity. Other areas seem to have no trouble getting volunteers… we all live full and busy lives, and making the time is challenging, its not like those of us volunteering have loads of free time, I really believe its about prioritizing, and participating in one’s community life!
On another note, we are with ADT as we had taken over the alarm that was rented from them when we moved in and although we have been happy enough with their service, would be willing to go over Mountain Men because of the additional benefits offered to the community as a whole. They also seem to be the only security company interested in attending community meetings and also to have an overt strategy around crime prevention, as well as the highest record of arrests, which says something, and I like their local focus. I asked their representative if they could look into an option for those of us bound in contracts to also at least contribute to the other services potentially available to the community, as a temporary measure and so hopefully those interested can participate in that in the meantime, until changing over is possible.
Hope to see more volunteers responding…
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Erika | 15/12/2009 at 6:52 am
I would like to participate in patrols but when i volunteered previously I was asked if I could bring someone along. That is not practical for me and I was never contacted again to assist. I will financially support extra patrols from the MM which would hopefully be more useful then the ADT car slowly cruising by my property at 06h15 with nobody coming getting out checking around the whole property.
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Erika | 15/12/2009 at 6:58 am
I did not know about the meeting on 3 December and I was in Harare for work that week.
One thing that the community could do is to ‘privatise’ public spaces and open nooks and crannies by pruning the vegetation or making a small garden in it. I started doing it and apart from people not using it as a toilet for their dogs dogs anymore, there are fewer signs of loitering and drinking in that area.
Many of the step parts of roads are overgrown and residents should tidy that up to reduce hiding opportunities.
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R.Schuhbauer | 15/12/2009 at 9:10 am
As one of the volunteers who does the patrols, I think everyone in our community should mention the need to assist to others.
It is one “bad ” night of sleep per month but it is imperative to not just sit back and let others do it.
I think it is a perfect opportunity to show that every successfull society needs to have people who don’t ask what society does for them rather ask what they can do for society. Don’t complain about the lack of policing and let others do the “dirty” deed.
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Luke | 15/12/2009 at 1:40 pm
Seems a shame Mountain Men are losing support due to poor admin. Especially considering that they are performing well on the street nabbing crooks. They are a far more visible and proactive presence around my neck of the woods than any of their competitors. I would argue it’s worth the hassle getting signed up in order to get the right quality of service at the end of the day.
Perhaps a phone call to Anton du Preez is the best way to resolve problems with billing and other paper shuffling issues?
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Nikolaas van der Merwe | 29/12/2009 at 6:06 pm
For the past two weeks or more, the “territorial patrol” bakkie (with that sign on the back) of the Mountain Men has been very visible in our area. We see the vehicle more than once a day on Duignam Road, the cul-de-sac where we live, and encounter it in other parts of Kalk Bay as we go about our daily rounds.
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Juliane Birling | 21/11/2011 at 6:25 pm
My tenants in Leyroad lost last week both of their cars (stolen at the bottom of
Leyroad) !!! And two weeks earlier …
one car was stolen but the police found it again..so,they will leave now…
What about a GATE on TOP and a camera or private Guard in Leyroad??!!!
Thanks for your ideas to keep our beautiful St.James SAVE.
Juliane